Comment from Brett #4 The Wrangler Man
Time: June 1, 2010, 10:14 am

First, Cutler, Then Nolan, Bmarsh and Scheff.

Cutler wanted to play for Josh. It was Josh that wanted to trade Cutler. It is all water under the bridge now. Godspeed Cutler!

Comment from BamaBronco
Time: June 1, 2010, 10:21 am

What crap! He is by no means “the most hated man in Denver.” You even say you “see him doing great things” and then write this nonsense? Sounds like you are just bored with too much time on your hands, so you want to stir up some controversy on a slow news day. Pure BS. Give the guy a chance to do the job he was hired to do. Does your employer pay you $4 million? If not, there’s a reason why, so figure it out. I have already.

Comment from David Johnson
Time: June 1, 2010, 10:58 am

BamaBronco……….It seems like you only read the title and then the third paragraph of the blog. I never said that I hated Josh. My whole blog was in support of Josh. The question was to you and the rest of the people who read the blog, as to why is it that out of all of the sports firgures in this city. He is hated the most.

As far as me making $4 million a year……….I used to back when I played for the Boston Red Sox ten years ago. Actually I made 5.25 a year to be exact. as for now I work in the oil and gas industry which as most people know, people in the oil and gas industry get paid extremely well.

Comment from Don Olmstead
Time: June 1, 2010, 11:04 am

Hey, this is a Broncos fan that loves Josh McDaniels and the attitude and approach that he has brought to Denver. Jay Cutler is a talented punk that last time I checked hasn’t been on a winning team since High School, so I have no problem still with that trade. Not sure why the Scheffler trade was perplexing–he’s a one-dimensional player that isn’t half the player that Dallas Clark is. As for Tebow, he is the opposite of Cutler–he is a guy that wins. I see mutiple Super Bowl wins for McDaniels, Tebow and the other Broncos that McD has brought to town.

Comment from Madness
Time: June 1, 2010, 11:14 am

I have no issues with McD, I hope he is successful.
I think Broncos fans dislike him because a) he replaced Shanny and b) because he traded Jay Cutler, who many saw as the replacement to Elway and the franchise player.
But the truth of the matter is can anybody see Cutler accepting McD’s in your face style? That was McD’s style in NE and now here in Denver with Orton or Quinn or even Tebow.
And now he has traded the beloved B-Marsh, who was in many fans eyes “our only offense”, but the guy had a bad attitude and was a cancer in the locker room.

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Comment from BamaBronco
Time: June 1, 2010, 11:24 am

David, I did actually read the entire article, but I just don’t think it has any merit as far a McDaniels being the most hated man in Denver. At any rate, maybe the ones who do “hate” him will enlighten you with their comments as to their reasons. Personally, I think the haters, of whom you are aware, are possibly small minded indiviuals who can’t, or won’t, see the big picture and the plan MdDaniels has for the success of the Broncos. Furthermore, they want to see him fail because they don’t like the decisions he has made, without even giving him the benefit of the doubt. I just hope they all enjoy their crow when Denver is back on top again, thanks to the efforts and decisions of Josh McDaniels. Go Broncos!

Comment from David Johnson
Time: June 1, 2010, 11:53 am

BamaBronco……..Maybe the title is a little strong. But I did what I wanted to do. Catch people’s attention and make them read and inspire people to voice their opinion. Thanks for the comment

Comment from David Johnson
Time: June 1, 2010, 12:49 pm

Madness,
No I cant see Cutler taking to McDaniels coaching style very well which is why i have said that Cutler and Mike Martz will be getting into some fights this year in Chicago. I agree with you though, I think that the reason for the McD hate is becasue of a) he replaced Shanny and b) because he traded Jay Cutler, who many saw as the replacement to Elway and the franchise player. But as some people need to learn, not all change is bad.

Comment from Mike
Time: June 1, 2010, 12:51 pm

“First, Cutler, Then Nolan, Bmarsh and Scheff.

Cutler wanted to play for Josh. It was Josh that wanted to trade Cutler. It is all water under the bridge now. Godspeed Cutler!”

idiot

Cutler wanted to get traded, that is documented and it was not the coach’s fault. If you are upset about the coach dumping an overrated QB, a petulant child and the worst blocking tight end in the league then maybe you should root for another team. Not to mention 2 of these 3 players are already injured…but yeah, let’s blame the coach.

Comment from BamaBronco
Time: June 1, 2010, 12:52 pm

One other thing David. The coaches who wanted to draft Tim Tebow, but didn’t get to him before McDaniels did, are some of the same ones that talked him down, hoping to get him in later rounds when they had a pick, some of them not until the third round. Well, it backfired, and I’m glad it did. McDaniels knew he had to take him in the first round to make sure he got him, and he’s probably laughed at all the criticism for it, along with many of the rest of us who know Tim’s real value. As a huge Tebow fan who has followed him from high school to the present, I completely understand what Josh saw in him, and there is no doubt in my mind that he will be everything Josh thinks he will be and more. We really wanted him at Alabama, and even though I was glad my Crimson Tide beat the Gators last year, I hated Tim had to be on the receiving of that loss. He’s a winner and a champion, and will do great things with the Broncos. Just watch.

Comment from David Johnson
Time: June 1, 2010, 1:07 pm

BamaBronco,

I agree, I think Tebow is the real deal and will end up being a pro bowl QB. I am just not too keen on Josh giving up all of the picks he acquired while moving back. Then taking Tebow when there were other higher rated players on the board especially at linebacker which Denver needs. I know that there were rumors that Buffalo was trying to trade their early second round pick to move back into the first round to get Tebow. But who knows if that was true. Good move on Josh’s part if Tebow pans out as you and I both think he will.

My only concern about Tebow is if he will continue to use his new throwing motion when he is starring down the barrel of a gun during a game. Usually when QBs are under pressure is when they revert back to old habits. I am cheering for him and hope he does well. I am not buying a Tebow jersey though, lol

Comment from BamaBronco
Time: June 1, 2010, 1:30 pm

I think too many people are worried or concerned about things they probably shouldn’t be. As the old saying goes, practice makes perfect, and Tim Tebow has a stronger will than most people can even imagine. He will do whatever it takes to succeed, and to prove his critics wrong. As I said, just watch. He may not ever have a 16-0 season, but I certainly wouldn’t put it out of the realm of possibility.

Comment from Snuh Ikdgnpndg
Time: June 1, 2010, 1:35 pm

ugh, if there is any truth to this then denver fans are…well, probably indicative of the excessive and impatient traits defining our culture in general and much like fans in other towns. still, the guy has had ONE season. he’s let go of numerous superfluous goons and overhyped turds and appears to be developing a quality roster…despite a few seemingly non-essential calls. he’s brought some real leadership and seems quite passionate. he’ll need a few years but he can lead the broncos to relevance specifically by NOT playing it safe with every choice. i’m with mcd…bullocks to the rest of the hating ninnies.

Comment from OmnyRa
Time: June 1, 2010, 2:10 pm

Sounds to me like you answered your own question before you even finished asking it. Basically, it appeared the coach had no regard to a tradition of a team and mindset and heart of a city of fans. Change is tough to adapt to, yes. But he caused an earthquake in the way he sliced and diced the team. He could have helped by making public his intentions and plans for the direction and credo of the club, but he was under the table and even outright lied a few times. The Cutler situation was sloppy and made him look shady and he never shook that image. How could you be surprised by that? I don’t agree about Marshalll because after that history making game, we heard talk of him being rewarded and there seemed to be an attitude adjustment and hugging etc. Next thing ya know, he lets go the biggest weapon on the offense. We don’t trust him and feel like a kid in a family where a new parent has come and rearranged everything instead of trying to win over the family members, he’s saying, “This is how things are going to be, and if you don’t like it, tough!”

Comment from David Johnson
Time: June 1, 2010, 2:15 pm

I just found this video on NFL.com that was posted last night about Josh McDaniels and his tenure here.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/denver-broncos/09000d5d8186c575/Coach-Spotlight-Josh-McDaniels

Comment from David Johnson
Time: June 1, 2010, 2:22 pm

From OmnyRa,

“Basically, it appeared the coach had no regard to a tradition of a team and mindset and heart of a city of fans. Change is tough to adapt to, yes. But he caused an earthquake in the way he sliced and diced the team. He could have helped by making public his intentions and plans for the direction and credo of the club, but he was under the table and even outright lied a few times. The Cutler situation was sloppy and made him look shady and he never shook that image. How could you be surprised by that? I don’t agree about Marshalll because after that history making game, we heard talk of him being rewarded and there seemed to be an attitude adjustment and hugging etc. Next thing ya know, he lets go the biggest weapon on the offense. We don’t trust him and feel like a kid in a family where a new parent has come and rearranged everything instead of trying to win over the family members, he’s saying, “This is how things are going to be, and if you don’t like it, tough!”
OmnyRa,

I appreciate the comment and honesty and understand your point of view. This was the type of answer I was looking for from people who dont like, hate or trust Josh. As far as Marshall goes, despite what Josh said about the organization giving him a new deal etc etc. josh is from the Belichick/Parcells coaching tree. So unlike Shanahan who did what he said. With Belichick/Parcells coaches, you have to read in between the lines or just wait and see. There actions speak louder than their words as I mentioned on a blog on here about the Kyle Orton situation last week. http://coloradosportsdesk.com/wp/archives/2010/05/what-should-the-broncos-do-with-kyle-orton/#comments

Comment from David Johnson
Time: June 1, 2010, 3:09 pm

For those of you that have asked or wondered why I wasnt fazed by the Brandon Marshall trade. One reason is what I mentioned in my blog. “Brandon wanted a new deal with big money, and Denver was not going to do that for a player with Marshall’s history.” The second reason was what I mentioned in my last comment about how Belichick/Parcells guys dont do what they say. The third and most telling reason why I wasnt fazed by Marshall being traded was………The Broncos only put a first round tender on Marshall instead of a first and third like they did with Orton and like most teams do with players that they dont want to lose. So in my eyes, Brandon was as good as gone once the tenders were set and no contract talks were being had and Brandon was fliying to Seattle.

Comment from Adam
Time: June 1, 2010, 4:51 pm

I like Josh I think he is building a winner. My only disagreement with Josh is getting rid of Nolan. The defence looked better than it had in years. With the lack of depth it no wonder it stalled towards the middle of the season.

Comment from Bronco Bill
Time: June 1, 2010, 8:07 pm

I think it is a combination of the above why people hate him. Last year he came across arogant and this year he has really worked on his people skills.

Comment from David Johnson
Time: June 2, 2010, 8:29 am

From Adam

“I like Josh I think he is building a winner. My only disagreement with Josh is getting rid of Nolan. The defence looked better than it had in years. With the lack of depth it no wonder it stalled towards the middle of the season.”

Adam,

Thanks for the comment, I am posting a blog later today to explain the Nolan firing from a scheme perspective and give my theory on why the Broncos collapsed last year

Comment from Phil
Time: June 2, 2010, 8:40 am

I think the word HATE is too strong of a word. I reserve the word HATE for things that are truly negatively impactful to my life. That being said, my dislike for Josh McDaniels stems from his attitude more than anything else. I see McDaniels as the cocky young kid who hasn’t done anything yet but already has the “I’m holier than thou, so question me not” attitude. From his mishandling of the Cutler situation to the public war of words with the San Diego Chargers, this young kid (and I use that intentionally) has shown no respect to any of those around him. Because of this lack of respect to the people around him and us the fans of the Broncos, I withhold ANY respect for him. In fact, while most of the time I tend to feel that coaches decisions should be supported given that they have “all the information” and we’re probably missing some key pieces of data to make a more informed decision, I do not afford that courtesy to McDaniels. For instance, his draft picks and off season moves these past two years have been mind boggling. First having a million running backs the previous off season then having a million quarterbacks this past off season. I am continually perplexed as to why these moves, especially when we needed help with our swiss cheese defense last year.

Arrogance is the one word I would use to describe McDaniels. And when you’re the NEW KID on the block, that’s something that you need to keep in check because that’s the worse attitude to have to be welcomed into any situation. But you know, he doesn’t seem like he cares. So I’ll continue to dislike him because he cares not for me as a fan, he cares not for the people that was in the organization before him that bleed, sweat and shed tears.

Is he the most hated man in Denver, probably not. But he is certainly not liked and he is certainly not “MY” coach. I do wish for Pat Bowlen to replace him in the near future.

Comment from David Johnson
Time: June 2, 2010, 10:08 am

Phil,

Thanks for your honest comments. I realize that the word hate is a strong word, and as I commented to one commenter. I used a title to get people’s attention. Thats why in the first line I put “hate or dislike”. Question though, if McDaniels isnt the most hated man in Denver as far as sports figures go. Then who is?

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Comment from robert ethan
Time: June 2, 2010, 7:46 pm

Couple facts you don’t seem to be aware of. Tony Scheffler was traded for a 5th round pick, but Brandon Marshall came for two 2nd rounders. One was used this spring to draft Tebow, the other comes next year. In terms of “all the picks” used to trade up for Tebow, they were extra picks acquired earlier in the day by trading back from the #11 overall spot. Their value by the trade value chart would only have moved the #25 pick up to #23 in a strict exchange. They would have taken Tebow at either spot. Otherwise the value difference would have been the equivalent of a late 4th round pick, I believe. I don’t think that will cripple the franchise or anything. You (along with a lot of others) seem to be under the misapprehension that McDaniel’s gave up a king’s ransom to draft Tebow.

Comment from David Johnson
Time: June 3, 2010, 6:21 am

Robert,

Thanks for the comment and thanks for reminding me about the Brandon Marshall trade. I dont know how I messed that one up. As far as the Tebow draft day trade. I am fully aware that the picks the Broncos used to get Tebow were from trades that day in the draft. I didnt mention it because most people know that. You say that their value by the trade value chart would only have moved the #25 pick up to #23 in a strict exchange…..Well the Broncos werent at #23 or #25. They had just used their first round pick at #22 on Demaryius Thomas and didnt have a first round pick left. So they traded their second round pick #43, third round #70 and their fourth round pick #114 to get back into the first round. I dont know what you mean that it would have only moved the #25 to #23 becasue they didnt have either picks.

The reason why everyone except you is wondering why Denver gave all that up to move back into the first round and draft Tebow when their were higher rated players left on the board that fit Denver’s needs, is becasue you dont give up three middle round picks to “reach” on a player. I have had every scout that I know tell me this year in and year out. What Josh did was Al Davis type of stuff which Al did NOT do this year.

Also, to say that it was equivilent of a fourth round pick and it wouldnt hurt this franchise is a little assumptuous. If you look at the NFL draft over the past ten years, fourth round picks have turned out to be some great players. And this team needs players. Like I said in the blog and in a couple of comments, I like Tebow and I think he is the real deal. I and many people just dont think Denver should have done what they did to get him when there were higher rated players left on the board who were palyers that fit Denver’s needs. What Josh did is something that Bill Belichick who is a master of the NFL draft would have never done. Now all of the trading back and acquiring picks like Josh did was Belichick like. That Tebow trade move……..questionable

Comment from BamaBronco
Time: June 3, 2010, 7:47 am

David, nobody else seems to be able to answer this question for me, so maybe you can. Where is the guarantee that Tebow would still have been available later in the first round, or the second, or even later rounds, where all of the scouts and experts say McDaneils should have waited to draft him? As I said before, McDaniels wanted him, and he did what he wanted to do (and probably what he felt he needed to do) to get him. He certainly didn’t need the permission or approval of scouts and so called experts to do what he did, and it’s his own neck he’s sticking out. As you said, other coaches have done the same thing for their own reasons, and we all know there were other teams that wanted Tebow, we just don’t know when they would have taken him. McDaniels just beat the rush, as far as I’m concerned. Go Broncos!

Comment from David Johnson
Time: June 3, 2010, 8:19 am

From BamaBronco:

“David, nobody else seems to be able to answer this question for me, so maybe you can. Where is the guarantee that Tebow would still have been available later in the first round, or the second, or even later rounds, where all of the scouts and experts say McDaneils should have waited to draft him?”

BamaBronco,

Good question, there isnt really a for sure guarantee that Tebow would have been available later in the first or early in the second or any other late round. I had Tebow going in the third round in one of my mock drafts, then in the second round to the Patriots in my second mock draft. I think what a lot of people feel is that out of the six teams remaining in the first round, no one really needed Tebow. So there is a feeling that if you really wanted Tebow, why not just move up a few spots in the second round and get him there? This years draft was possibly the deepest draft in years. Some said the deepest in 16 years.

Ralph Wilson said that Josh panicked when the rumors started about Buffalo moving up to get Tebow. He goes on to say that they had no interest in trading up to get Tebow. Now whether thats true or not who knows. It does make you wonder though if Josh panicked or not. Why not trade up to Indy’s or the Saints spot and take him if you wanted him in the first round, or had a fear that he could be gone? When you think back to draft day, it kind of seemed like a quick and hasty type of move. Josh makes several smart trades by moving back and acquiring picks and then getting Brandon Marshalls replacement at #22. Then out of nowhere he just trades back into the first round just to get Tebow? Just makes you wonder if Ralph was right and Josh did panic. Especially when you look at all of the players that were rated higher than Tebow and fit Denver’s needs. Players like, Dan Williams, Jared Odrick, Jerry Hughes, Sergio Kindle. Then you had Koa Misi who was rated a little lower than Tebow but would have been a great fit here in Denver.

Do I think Ralph Wilson was right and Josh panicked?…………..Probably so. It seems like Josh really wanted Tebow but was ok with waiting until the second round to get him. But once the rumors started, he had to do something to make sure that he got Tebow. Its almost like he had blinders on and ignored all the other really talented players left on the board. He had a one track mind and it was to make sure that he got Tebow.

So to answer your question, no there was no guarantee that Tebow would have been still there later. Its just how that first day played out and the timing of the trade etc etc. Josh doesnt need anyone’s permission to do anything that he feels is best for the team. I think the Tebow pick was best for the team. I and others just think it could have been done a little differently, and it goes against what is considered conventional football draft day wisdom.

Comment from BamaBronco
Time: June 3, 2010, 10:45 am

Thanks for your reply Daivd. Guess it all boils down to the fact that it was McDaniels’ decision to make, regardless of what everyone else thought he should have done. Furthermore, it wouldn’t surprise me if Ralph Wilson’s comments were actually flavored with a few sour grapes, or even relief that he wasn’t the one in the hot seat for drafting Tebow early. Who knows for sure whether Wilson would have or not? The important thing is Tebow is where he really wanted to be, with a coach that wanted him there bad enough to do what he did to secure him. If anyone can understand why Josh McDaniels did what he did, it’s Urban Meyer and Craig Howard.

Comment from Waldoon
Time: June 3, 2010, 8:37 pm

Blah, Blah, Blah. I’m sicking of hearing about Jay Cutler and everyone talking about all the issues except the real one for Cutler . . . MONEY. That’s right MONEY. Jay Cutler was scheduled to make 2009: $1.035 million + $100,000 workout bonus + the potential for 5.95 million in incentives. Instead, he gets a new contract with the Bear including a $7 million signing bonus and annual salaries of 2009: $10.035 million (+ $100,000 workout bonus), YOU DO THE MATH: a maximum of $7.085 million in 2009 (minimum of $1.035 million) vs a payday of $17.035 guaranteed (signing bonus and 2009 salary from the Bears). Sure at the end of the day he whined on his way out of town about how he wanted to stay. I’m sure he’d have taken the money in Denver too. IT WAS ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY. Let me play like my ego’s hurt, like they don’t respect me . . . bottom line they can offer me more money to make me happy again or they can trade me and I can force a new contract to the table. I predicted the payday for him the first time I heard him whine on TV and he didn’t let me down. Not bad for a QB that is 23-29 life time and has only 18 more TD’s than Interceptions after 4 years.

Comment from winner
Time: September 27, 2010, 8:34 am

This is why I hate the nazi…… 3 wins in the last 13 games ( reg season ) …The colts game just breaks my heart .. To put so much importance on the 4th and goal play in the 2nt qtr was sooooo stupid … How can you make a play so early in a game so important .. this is football, you fight to take every point you can .. Mcd’s just not football smart … we suck at running the ball under him , yet every time we smell the goal line he thinks we are a power running team…. Why the hell did we draft Tebow if we don’t use him in these short yardage situations , Ya know the area this team sucked in last year … What a looser .. go suck on Tom Brady’s thumb you big baby…….. Hey on the good side it looks like we might bring along some talent this year , Open the trade lines now ….